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	<title>Comments for Geoff Hendrick</title>
	<link>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/ghendrick</link>
	<description>ICT Technologies, Architectures and Strategies for Elearning</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Are you ready to join a Trust Federation? by mike seyfang</title>
		<link>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/ghendrick/2008/07/10/are-you-ready-to-join-a-trust-federation/#comment-22553</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/ghendrick/2008/07/10/are-you-ready-to-join-a-trust-federation/#comment-22553</guid>
					<description>I'm glad to see you mix the metaphors of 'IDENTITY2.0' (ie 'bottom up' user centric identity schemes such as OpenID) and 'FEDERATION' ('top down'networks of trust between institutional directories) in the one post. My parting word of advice to Mark and the Edna team was to do just that - when thinking about one, make reference to the other.

The first three architectures in your summary relate to Federating directories using information stored about people in various (trusted) directories - generally to determine if people should be granted access to privileged information / resources. Think username/password. All about adding value to existing commercial/institutional infrastructure - ROI for organisations.

The fourth 'OpenID' is an implementation of what some group into the 'IDENTITY2.0' category. Accepting or providing information people assert about themselves online, generally to establish who they are and to provide convenient ways to filter access to relatively open information / resources. Think URL and 100 point 'credit check'.

I'm hoping the projects education.au are involved with will continue to push forward implementations of BOTH types of Identity management. Facilitating federation of organisational /institutional directories in which I have user accounts will reduce the frustration levels when I need to access those trade-secrets safely locked away in internal networks. As the world moves toward more open web based content and connections, logging into my blog first thing each morning should be sufficient for most of the sites I care about to know that I am indeed the fang and really only care about stuff my social networks are talking about.

Fang - Mike Seyfang</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to see you mix the metaphors of &#8216;IDENTITY2.0&#8242; (ie &#8216;bottom up&#8217; user centric identity schemes such as OpenID) and &#8216;FEDERATION&#8217; (&#8217;top down&#8217;networks of trust between institutional directories) in the one post. My parting word of advice to Mark and the Edna team was to do just that - when thinking about one, make reference to the other.</p>
<p>The first three architectures in your summary relate to Federating directories using information stored about people in various (trusted) directories - generally to determine if people should be granted access to privileged information / resources. Think username/password. All about adding value to existing commercial/institutional infrastructure - ROI for organisations.</p>
<p>The fourth &#8216;OpenID&#8217; is an implementation of what some group into the &#8216;IDENTITY2.0&#8242; category. Accepting or providing information people assert about themselves online, generally to establish who they are and to provide convenient ways to filter access to relatively open information / resources. Think URL and 100 point &#8216;credit check&#8217;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping the projects education.au are involved with will continue to push forward implementations of BOTH types of Identity management. Facilitating federation of organisational /institutional directories in which I have user accounts will reduce the frustration levels when I need to access those trade-secrets safely locked away in internal networks. As the world moves toward more open web based content and connections, logging into my blog first thing each morning should be sufficient for most of the sites I care about to know that I am indeed the fang and really only care about stuff my social networks are talking about.</p>
<p>Fang - Mike Seyfang
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		<title>Comment on The case for Trust Federations in Education by Carlos Fuentes</title>
		<link>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/ghendrick/2008/07/09/the-case-for-trust-federations-in-education/#comment-22153</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/ghendrick/2008/07/09/the-case-for-trust-federations-in-education/#comment-22153</guid>
					<description>Really interesting article, i´m currently working on e-learning so if you want to look my work is in www.lastutorias.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really interesting article, i´m currently working on e-learning so if you want to look my work is in <a href='http://www.lastutorias.com' rel='nofollow'>www.lastutorias.com</a>
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		<title>Comment on Social Networking behind the Firewall by mike seyfang</title>
		<link>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/ghendrick/2008/07/08/social-networking-behind-the-firewall/#comment-22038</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 05:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/ghendrick/2008/07/08/social-networking-behind-the-firewall/#comment-22038</guid>
					<description>This post does a great job of bringing out the tensions between wanting to engage in online social networking and the incumbent position of control. We are clearly in that mirky transition time between and entire generation of people who are comfortable living openly online and those of us who grew up in a time when publishing digital content required some level of effort and expense.

I remember during the design of me.edu the debates about the point (or otherwise) of duplicating facilities that are available for free from a number of sites. But it seems that me.edu has indeed hit a sweet spot for those in the transition.

Well done and all the best for this service for Aussie educators.

Fang - Mike Seyfang</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post does a great job of bringing out the tensions between wanting to engage in online social networking and the incumbent position of control. We are clearly in that mirky transition time between and entire generation of people who are comfortable living openly online and those of us who grew up in a time when publishing digital content required some level of effort and expense.</p>
<p>I remember during the design of me.edu the debates about the point (or otherwise) of duplicating facilities that are available for free from a number of sites. But it seems that me.edu has indeed hit a sweet spot for those in the transition.</p>
<p>Well done and all the best for this service for Aussie educators.</p>
<p>Fang - Mike Seyfang
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		<title>Comment on SCORM and CORDRA at Work by simonfj</title>
		<link>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/ghendrick/2006/10/19/scorm-and-cordra-at-work/#comment-566</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/ghendrick/2006/10/19/scorm-and-cordra-at-work/#comment-566</guid>
					<description>Hi Geoff,

Hope yu don't mind me leaving this note here. 
I just flicked you 'trusted services'doc http://www.educationau.edu.au/jahia/webdav/site/myjahiasite/shared/papers/trusted-servicesGH.pdf
to prof fels at http://www.accesscard.gov.au/

I'm sure he'll get a buzz out of comparing 'clouds'. Mentioned he might set up an open forum to help the silos compare their own little clouds, with the idea of finding out what they have in common. We can only hope. You'll know hard it is to help disengaged learners move outside their comfortable little domains.

Tell me, do your clouds have even one initiative that considers the communication between silos, or is everything in edu land based oround repositories"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Geoff,</p>
<p>Hope yu don&#8217;t mind me leaving this note here.<br />
I just flicked you &#8216;trusted services&#8217;doc <a href='http://www.educationau.edu.au/jahia/webdav/site/myjahiasite/shared/papers/trusted-servicesGH.pdf' rel='nofollow'>http://www.educationau.edu.au/jahia/webdav/site/myjahiasite/shared/papers/trusted-servicesGH.pdf</a><br />
to prof fels at <a href='http://www.accesscard.gov.au/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.accesscard.gov.au/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;ll get a buzz out of comparing &#8216;clouds&#8217;. Mentioned he might set up an open forum to help the silos compare their own little clouds, with the idea of finding out what they have in common. We can only hope. You&#8217;ll know hard it is to help disengaged learners move outside their comfortable little domains.</p>
<p>Tell me, do your clouds have even one initiative that considers the communication between silos, or is everything in edu land based oround repositories&#8221;?
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		<title>Comment on Cathedrals and Bazaars: Shibboleth versus Web 2.0 by simon fenton- jones</title>
		<link>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/ghendrick/2006/09/05/cathedrals-and-bazaars-shibboleth-versus-web-20/#comment-5</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/ghendrick/2006/09/05/cathedrals-and-bazaars-shibboleth-versus-web-20/#comment-5</guid>
					<description>I'll question your last comment. Ultimately, if we are to have institutions which support a lifelong learning, we need a single log in. If we consider the web a huge library, then it's a question of whether we have a public one or a huge number of private ones. 

If it's a public one (and we limit our ideas to a national domain, because that's the way things normally get funded) our ideas will revolve around using our public library cards as a proof of identification to (online) national resources; in the first instance as a way to keep the spam out of a citizens learning account. Over time, as TRUST BUILDS between remote communities, the degrees of authentication to 'deeper' inter- institutional repositories and resources could be added.

If we measure an institution by the number of its global domains (it's VO's) that are accessed by citizens, then its likely we might start to see (the aggregation of) more relevant institutions. We won't see notice the passing of irrelevant institutions ones because, for the most part, they're already so private, so comples, and considered so untrustworthy, they're irrelevant.

For how many more years are we to hear that MAMS (and its peers) is "building a testbed federation between institutions"? It seems quite logical I know. But you have to believe that (educational) institutions never change, and there's 2400 years of evidence, in the western world, to the contrary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll question your last comment. Ultimately, if we are to have institutions which support a lifelong learning, we need a single log in. If we consider the web a huge library, then it&#8217;s a question of whether we have a public one or a huge number of private ones. </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s a public one (and we limit our ideas to a national domain, because that&#8217;s the way things normally get funded) our ideas will revolve around using our public library cards as a proof of identification to (online) national resources; in the first instance as a way to keep the spam out of a citizens learning account. Over time, as TRUST BUILDS between remote communities, the degrees of authentication to &#8216;deeper&#8217; inter- institutional repositories and resources could be added.</p>
<p>If we measure an institution by the number of its global domains (it&#8217;s VO&#8217;s) that are accessed by citizens, then its likely we might start to see (the aggregation of) more relevant institutions. We won&#8217;t see notice the passing of irrelevant institutions ones because, for the most part, they&#8217;re already so private, so comples, and considered so untrustworthy, they&#8217;re irrelevant.</p>
<p>For how many more years are we to hear that MAMS (and its peers) is &#8220;building a testbed federation between institutions&#8221;? It seems quite logical I know. But you have to believe that (educational) institutions never change, and there&#8217;s 2400 years of evidence, in the western world, to the contrary.
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		<title>Comment on Blogging from Microsoft Word Documents by Miles&#8217; Weblog &#187; How Web 2.0 aware are you?</title>
		<link>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/ghendrick/2006/09/07/blogging-from-microsoft-word-documents/#comment-4</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/ghendrick/2006/09/07/blogging-from-microsoft-word-documents/#comment-4</guid>
					<description>[...] I scored a measly 2%! Ah but of course I would on my work laptop, I&#8217;ve got real work to do. Can&#8217;t be sitting around all day digg&#8217;ing&#8230; Even on my personal computer I only manage a measly 18%, but then I look at the list of sites the score is based on and I&#8217;m not seeing many familiar names. While there are a growing number of browser-based web 2.0 applications that I use, I seem to leaning more towards the webified desktop applications that are providing a flexible layer between the user and the online services they use regularily. For example, the Flock browser brings together a number of online services including social bookmarking, online photo storage, news aggregation, blogging and more; services that &#8216;Web 2.0 aware&#8217; folk are using everyday (and in some case all day). Windows Live Writer has been mentioned by Geoff and is another desktop app I&#8217;ll be trying out in the coming weeks. Konfabulator gives me funkier way to keep track of my Jira issues, weather conditions and visits to my personal website. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I scored a measly 2%! Ah but of course I would on my work laptop, I&#8217;ve got real work to do. Can&#8217;t be sitting around all day digg&#8217;ing&#8230; Even on my personal computer I only manage a measly 18%, but then I look at the list of sites the score is based on and I&#8217;m not seeing many familiar names. While there are a growing number of browser-based web 2.0 applications that I use, I seem to leaning more towards the webified desktop applications that are providing a flexible layer between the user and the online services they use regularily. For example, the Flock browser brings together a number of online services including social bookmarking, online photo storage, news aggregation, blogging and more; services that &#8216;Web 2.0 aware&#8217; folk are using everyday (and in some case all day). Windows Live Writer has been mentioned by Geoff and is another desktop app I&#8217;ll be trying out in the coming weeks. Konfabulator gives me funkier way to keep track of my Jira issues, weather conditions and visits to my personal website. [&#8230;]
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		<title>Comment on Cathedrals and Bazaars: Shibboleth versus Web 2.0 by goffa</title>
		<link>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/ghendrick/2006/09/05/cathedrals-and-bazaars-shibboleth-versus-web-20/#comment-3</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 07:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/ghendrick/2006/09/05/cathedrals-and-bazaars-shibboleth-versus-web-20/#comment-3</guid>
					<description>The notions of Web 2.0 and Identity 2.0 are explored well at http://www.identity20.com and http://www.readwriteweb.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The notions of Web 2.0 and Identity 2.0 are explored well at <a href='http://www.identity20.com' rel='nofollow'>http://www.identity20.com</a> and <a href='http://www.readwriteweb.com/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.readwriteweb.com/</a>
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