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	<title>Comments on: Whiplashed by The Long Tail effect</title>
	<link>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/tcotton/2007/06/27/whiplashed-by-the-long-tail-effect/</link>
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		<title>by: Tom Cotton</title>
		<link>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/tcotton/2007/06/27/whiplashed-by-the-long-tail-effect/#comment-3990</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 23:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>hehe - I think I follow;

As D'Lk points out "very high value" requires context. I need to know which piece of content is of very high value to me personally.  That becomes my yardstick ("a recognition of value").

Remember I am deliberately seeking out those obscured in the long tail.

If I understand correctly about your point about resource discovery you're estimating relevancy/'very high value' statistically rather than making a cognitive match.

There is great power in that approach but I am not sure if that would return a match of those things that is relevant to me.  I guess I would have to supply the significant values of 'unitText'.

I'm looking for a match with someone else who:
* has at least 1 item I consider of very high value
* shares a common focus (or other content on topic)
* shares a similar signal / noise ratio</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hehe - I think I follow;</p>
<p>As D&#8217;Lk points out &#8220;very high value&#8221; requires context. I need to know which piece of content is of very high value to me personally.  That becomes my yardstick (&#8221;a recognition of value&#8221;).</p>
<p>Remember I am deliberately seeking out those obscured in the long tail.</p>
<p>If I understand correctly about your point about resource discovery you&#8217;re estimating relevancy/&#8217;very high value&#8217; statistically rather than making a cognitive match.</p>
<p>There is great power in that approach but I am not sure if that would return a match of those things that is relevant to me.  I guess I would have to supply the significant values of &#8216;unitText&#8217;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking for a match with someone else who:<br />
* has at least 1 item I consider of very high value<br />
* shares a common focus (or other content on topic)<br />
* shares a similar signal / noise ratio
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		<title>by: Peter Shanks</title>
		<link>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/tcotton/2007/06/27/whiplashed-by-the-long-tail-effect/#comment-3951</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/tcotton/2007/06/27/whiplashed-by-the-long-tail-effect/#comment-3951</guid>
					<description>so how do you discover 'very high value'? In tpu I was looking at individual words in a unit of competency and comparing them with a full text index of the contents of every training package so that the 'rarest' common words in a unit got the greatest emphasis (it would probably have been more relevant to try for pairs of words, but that's another project).

For resource discovery you might try comparing the textual elements of the resource with a full text index of the unit or training package you were targeting, giving a ranking for that resource as far as relevancy goes. Somthing like: "SELECT unitID, MATCH(unitText) AGAINST '".$val)."') AS score FROM units WHERE MATCH(unitText) AGAINST ('".$val."') having score &#62; 0.2" where $val is replaced by individual words from the resource. 

If the number of words returned for the resource as a whole crossed a certain threshold for a unit you could then include that resource's text in the index to refine it further. Once this index grew large enough, you could apply it against even short postings/tags and have a metric of the author's 'value' with regards to the index for that unit or training package.

Hmm, that's a bugger to put into a text message - I hope it made some sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so how do you discover &#8216;very high value&#8217;? In tpu I was looking at individual words in a unit of competency and comparing them with a full text index of the contents of every training package so that the &#8216;rarest&#8217; common words in a unit got the greatest emphasis (it would probably have been more relevant to try for pairs of words, but that&#8217;s another project).</p>
<p>For resource discovery you might try comparing the textual elements of the resource with a full text index of the unit or training package you were targeting, giving a ranking for that resource as far as relevancy goes. Somthing like: &#8220;SELECT unitID, MATCH(unitText) AGAINST &#8216;&#8221;.$val).&#8221;&#8216;) AS score FROM units WHERE MATCH(unitText) AGAINST (&#8217;&#8221;.$val.&#8221;&#8216;) having score &gt; 0.2&#8243; where $val is replaced by individual words from the resource. </p>
<p>If the number of words returned for the resource as a whole crossed a certain threshold for a unit you could then include that resource&#8217;s text in the index to refine it further. Once this index grew large enough, you could apply it against even short postings/tags and have a metric of the author&#8217;s &#8216;value&#8217; with regards to the index for that unit or training package.</p>
<p>Hmm, that&#8217;s a bugger to put into a text message - I hope it made some sense.
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		<title>by: Tom Cotton</title>
		<link>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/tcotton/2007/06/27/whiplashed-by-the-long-tail-effect/#comment-3901</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/tcotton/2007/06/27/whiplashed-by-the-long-tail-effect/#comment-3901</guid>
					<description>I was pondering more about this last night and I think it needs to be refined:.

Focus could be considered as what I consider as 'very high value' - more so than the other resources.

It will be easier to recognise others obscured in the Long Tail if I understand what 'very high value' means to me personally.

So to bring in D'Lk's point about context. - it is much more than just saying 'hey - we have things in common'; it's saying 'hey - we highly value the same thing'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was pondering more about this last night and I think it needs to be refined:.</p>
<p>Focus could be considered as what I consider as &#8216;very high value&#8217; - more so than the other resources.</p>
<p>It will be easier to recognise others obscured in the Long Tail if I understand what &#8216;very high value&#8217; means to me personally.</p>
<p>So to bring in D&#8217;Lk&#8217;s point about context. - it is much more than just saying &#8216;hey - we have things in common&#8217;; it&#8217;s saying &#8216;hey - we highly value the same thing&#8217;.
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		<title>by: Janet</title>
		<link>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/tcotton/2007/06/27/whiplashed-by-the-long-tail-effect/#comment-3894</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 03:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/tcotton/2007/06/27/whiplashed-by-the-long-tail-effect/#comment-3894</guid>
					<description>Interesting, Pru and I have been talking about similar ideas. =)
http://eduspaces.net/janeth/weblog/

Peter Shanks from TALO uses this kind of metric for his project which sifts resources by words which are both rare in the general collection and common in the current document. http://tpu.bluemountains.net

I think Peter's ideas used in the document sorting project have strong parallels with what we are talking about with regard to people sorting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, Pru and I have been talking about similar ideas. =)<br />
<a href='http://eduspaces.net/janeth/weblog/' rel='nofollow'>http://eduspaces.net/janeth/weblog/</a></p>
<p>Peter Shanks from TALO uses this kind of metric for his project which sifts resources by words which are both rare in the general collection and common in the current document. <a href='http://tpu.bluemountains.net' rel='nofollow'>http://tpu.bluemountains.net</a></p>
<p>I think Peter&#8217;s ideas used in the document sorting project have strong parallels with what we are talking about with regard to people sorting.
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		<title>by: Dave the Lifekludger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/tcotton/2007/06/27/whiplashed-by-the-long-tail-effect/#comment-3888</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/tcotton/2007/06/27/whiplashed-by-the-long-tail-effect/#comment-3888</guid>
					<description>That is a good outline of the value of digging for jewels in the Longtail. 

"Discovery implies recognition of value" - It's keeping the context of that value that's important. 

In the Longtail quality is always subjective and so also will the signal be. 

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a good outline of the value of digging for jewels in the Longtail. </p>
<p>&#8220;Discovery implies recognition of value&#8221; - It&#8217;s keeping the context of that value that&#8217;s important. </p>
<p>In the Longtail quality is always subjective and so also will the signal be. </p>
<p>Dave
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		<title>by: mike seyfang</title>
		<link>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/tcotton/2007/06/27/whiplashed-by-the-long-tail-effect/#comment-3862</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.educationau.edu.au/tcotton/2007/06/27/whiplashed-by-the-long-tail-effect/#comment-3862</guid>
					<description>Glad to be of service!
(great summary of our interesting conversation)
Fang</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to be of service!<br />
(great summary of our interesting conversation)<br />
Fang
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